This is a conversation between Ralph Allison and Charity, a Professor CIE.
Ralph: Exactly, I'm sure you don't understand it because I don't understand it. For example, Oral Roberts was on this program.
Charity: Oh, we know.
Ralph: And he got started when he had TB when he was a teenager. And he had been a trouble maker and a ne'er-do-well apparently before that. He was not going according to what his family wanted him to do.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: And everybody else got TB and died. He got TB and I think it made a great impact on him, that everybody had died just before he did. So I think he was afraid of dying.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: But he felt that he had faith in God at that moment. And because he had faith in God, who then could heal him, is why he got well. They make a point of this over and over again that – and the Christian Scientists do this all the time – if you have enough faith in God, God will heal you. When you don't get healed, it's your fault for not having enough faith. That's the way they look at it.
Charity: What we are stating on that aspect is first of all, if it is in your life plan to get well, you will get well. Period. Your Essence will take care of it.
Ralph: You are very clear about that. And if you have faith in God while this is happening,
Charity: You have faith in it?
Ralph: Im not sure what that means, you see? to them
Charity: We think they were stating is if you have enough belief in something in the Creator to bring about a physical well being, that it will bring about a physical well being. If you have enough belief. But if you don't believe strongly enough, therefore you as a human have failed. Therefore you have a concept that you as a human must have enough faith – if you do not have enough belief system, then you are not going to get well. If you do not get well, you did not have a strong enough belief system. Why do you humans choose to do that?
Ralph: I'm taking from that that that is not a correct interpretation as to why people get well.
Charity: No.
Ralph: You have said that already, I'm just pointing it out. Having enough faith in God is not going to create the cure.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: If your plan is to get sick and die.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: OK. All right. They also had some comments there about people who are spiritual getting sick less often than people who are not spiritual.
Charity: That is a falsehood.
Ralph: Well, what is the point in being spiritual if it's not going to keep you alive longer?
Charity: Are you spiritual?
Ralph: I don't know. I think so. I'm not sick. See, that proves it.
Charity: Is Michael Cannon spiritual?
Ralph: I think so. Well this, again, puts the burden on the individual
Charity: Again, that's what the humans do to each human. It's not the humans' design to try – what the humans are trying to do is try to show that other humans are below what they are in a belief system. They are showing a fallacy in what other humans believe. If they don't get well, or believe strong enough that they are going to get well, then they don't meet the high standards of what the other humans have done. So they are in an innate guilt system that they do to other humans.