This is a conversation between Ralph Allison and Charity, a Professor CIE.
Ralph: You would have to realize that in those days, they had no contraceptives, no birth control. So you would have babies who would not have parents who would take responsibility for them, you would have babies without a family. I think that is a very important issue here.
Charity: You have to remember –
Ralph: You would have a mess of a time with those kinds of kids. Who's going to raise them?
Charity: The same ones that are not being raised now.
Ralph: That makes for a chaotic culture.
Charity: For the human population, that is another rule that the population at that time laid down its " law" stating that it was from The Creator and therefore we have to follow. It is a very good rule but for ourselves, we're not going to dictate to the human population that they should not do that. What we are concerned about is the matter of destruction of the Essence.
Ralph: This is where I have a major question for you. This is the point at which this question comes to bear. Just because you are not in a position to act like a human without a body, you cannot have sexual activity, you can't scratch your nose, you can't put on shoes, OK, I understand that, hut this is to people that do put on shoes, can scratch their nose and have sex.
Charity: OK
Ralph: Now why wouldn't it be proper for you to do whatever you could to encourage to follow this kind of a rule? It would seem to be in their best interests to follow this kind of rule. Why wouldn't you want to?
Charity: When we don't even know what the term of "adultery" is, how could we expect to believe the human population from not doing it?
Ralph: I thought you had all those dictionaries stashed away there. You could look it up.
Charity: We have some, we have lots. But some we deem not important to put into our database.
Ralph: Well this fits into everything in the area of sexual morality, this is just the tip of that iceberg. Because you don't have any sexual activity, so you don't have any issues –
Charity: Right
Ralph: in your realm.
Charity: All humans have their Essences. Your Essence can choose to negate a pregnancy, stop it from ever happening. We are not a – we don't judge the human population. That is not our avenue. We try and make sure that the humans are listening to ourselves and doing what they need to do for spiritual advancement. If adultery is not going to help the human advance, then of course we would be concerned.
Ralph: And the Essence would be warning them not to do it.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: But you would consider there would be times and people where adultery would he spiritually improving.
Charity: Correct
Ralph: And in those conditions, you would not be warning them to stop.
Charity: Correct
Ralph: I know that's what you said, but then they seem to.. Now two other things that came to my attention today and yesterday. One of the programs I was hearing on the radio coming over here was an interview with the head of a center for high tech fertilization techniques, making babies when the mothers do not get pregnant.
Charity: But fertilizing is what you make something grow with.
Ralph: I understand, but this is used in the sense of the egg in a mothers ovary is fertilized by the sperm to make a baby. It is woman being fertile like land being fertile. But the point is that these are women and men, their husbands, who have used every other natural technique available and
have not been able to have the woman get pregnant. So they go in, they have had infections and surgery, they go in and try to create a baby by some means where the fertilization takes place outside the body, like in a test tube, where they get an egg and a sperm from the parents and grow them and then implant them in the mother to overcome the physical limitations the mother has for getting pregnant in the normal way. Now it was interesting listening to this because you had people talking about this being something every couple has the right to do and we should spend all this money on this and every woman has the right to become a mother and spend as much of our finances as necessary to achieve this, and yet other people get pregnant without any trouble whatsoever the first day they get married. And I am just wondering what -- we get a lot of these high tech maneuvers that are involved in basic human functions like this. Life support is just one at the other end. This is at the starting. What do you think of that?
Charity: Want to call it a concern.
Ralph: Interestingly, we just had a clinic like that in Orange county be investigated for fraud and corruption. They were giving the embryos to the wrong people without their permission. It pretty well destroyed their operation.
Charity: You know, for ourselves, the Guardian picks out the family and the culture that the human is to be born into, and to grow in. When a human cannot become pregnant, that is because it is not designed for it. But what is happening is the humans in your medical profession are attempting to circumvent what we have chosen to stop.
Ralph: That's my concern, we could end up with all kinds of ...
Charity: That's why we are having to go about not being able to have – we are constantly or – you are overpopulating – we are overpopulating on Essences. And pretty some, creative intelligence, you human species, your medical profession has a wrong idea on certain aspects. Regarding the aspects of keeping the human alive forever, no, stop to create life, as you would state it, physical life, that needs to be curtailed, that does not need to happen.
Ralph: The Guardian now has a new baby being born the next month it hadn't planned on this, What happens?
Charity: We have to go and find an Essence that will go, by pulling off someone or making sure one of the Essences in the last lifetime, and the Charge that they have is basically at the very last one, with some times it doesn't quite meet the last one, so we can go ahead and usher in. Or the Creator has got to develop or we have got to send them through school faster for more Essences. Its impossible sometimes to make sure that each human species has the correct Essences for that time. The humans choosing to create a physical life again before we are ready for it.
Ralph: That's what I wondered about it.
Charity: You are creating a dangerous part of it for that new life, itself, because we have to curtail another one to have that one ready for an Essence in training. While the other Essence can separate and go into that one. When that other life had not been planned.
Ralph: Again this is the kind of thing that I can see is interfering in every body else's plans but the mother and father who think, ''I deserve a baby." And they feel that is their God given right to have a baby and they are being cheated if they don't have their own. Now that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of them available that are foster children, adopted children, but they don't want somebody else's children. There is a code that they
Charity: There is a code that has been passed down to them from generation to generation for society. Their society has cultivated that falsehood.
Ralph: And then I look at my own daughter who has had all this trouble getting pregnant and I can understand you concern. I had no problems with it, but you are not going to tell her that she isn't as good a mother as every other woman on her block whose got three or four kids. That is to her an insult.
Charity: What you have to remember is that the longer that we can keep that Essence from her charge
becoming pregnant, it is better for ourselves. The humans physical body can only last for only so long before it will be detrimental to the life that they were going to try and have one.
Ralph: We have a big argument on contraception, primarily supported by the Catholic church of Rome, and I can remember when I was delivering babies as a medical student, we had this lady whose husband was a writer on a Catholic magazine and she had 8 children by that time, and she was totally worn out. He was happy and healthy, but he didn't bear the children. And that poor woman . .
Charity: But it is beginning to come around or turn around for that religion because even though, the Pope, even though he does not recognize that part of contraception, even though he cannot agree to that, the other countries or continents that have that religion, they are changing their avenue and not listening to the Pope so they are changing on that kind of aspect. Not all of them, hut they are turning.
Ralph: What I understand is that people who were born into the Catholic religion, this is a ban on contraception and abortion, and almost every kind of birth control method. Those who are born into it ignore it. They are wiser than that and, "We are good Catholics, but that 20% we will ignore." Its converts from another religion into that who feel they must believe everything that are the ones who are stuck.
Charity: What happens, though, is that the human beings begin to use their intellect and they cant abide with that part of it.
Charity: Basically what is in the oath.
Ralph: These are all agree upon by the doctors that they should follow. This is not laid down upon us by anybody else. This is our agreed code that we all vote on. And we say, "Yeh" and we think this is right and we bring this up for discussion every year and make changes. The biggest thing in this one are all these pregnancy high science things we mentioned. And the issues are laid out here very nicely. You can see very nicely where we can say, "Oh my goodness, we are going to have another baby we didn't plan for" and that's all in here. You can look at this, fine, there is suicide, euthanasia, seriously ill newborns, like there is one point in there about organ donors and if you have an anencephalic baby that has no frontal brain and he's going to die within a day anyhow, you may harvest the organs before he is ceased to breathe.
Charity: (objection)
Ralph: They say that, since he is going to die anyhow. That's the one exception to all the rules of .. I'm just pointing out that's the kind of things that's in there because these issues have come up. And they have voted on how to handle it. These are the kind of things they have reviewed.
Charity: If you have noticed, we have always told you, you do not cease a humans existence no matter what, until the Essence has departed??.
Ralph: I'm just pointing out this is the kind of thing I would sure you would be interested you would be interested in looking at. And if there is some reason you have for making comments about any of those, here is what we have. This is the book that we are expected to follow in medicine generally.
Charity: Start making your list and start asking.
Ralph: I've never been pregnant so I can't handle those subjects.
Charity: You are not a female species in this lifetime.
Ralph: That's the kind of thing we have talked about, that the Essence decides when the female gets pregnant, or aborts.
Charity: Right, whatever the case may be. The Essence is in charge of you getting physically ill or not. And how
Ralph: how long you are going to be sick
Charity: Right, and the degree.