This is a conversation between Ralph Allison and Charity, a Professor CIE and Hope, a Teacher
GNOSTICS
Charity: What you have to realize is that in that realm of cultures, even before his time, our teaching aspects were basically to the humans alone. There was nothing that was trying to do our talking for the humans. It was ourselves doing the teaching.
Ralph: They were all Gnostics? You did not have a professor sitting there collecting students to teach at?
Charity: What you have quoted in terms to us as priests, or pastors or reverends or bishops, the pope. There was none of that. Our teaching was direct at that point in time. When part of the Great Teacher came down onto your earth,
Ralph: The one called Christus -
Charity: The one that has been called Jesus Christ,
Ralph: You said that, not me. I'm saying that, going back in her other work, it was a matter of the times and there was the Gnostics who were saying, "Look up to your Essence and listen and pay attention since that is where you are getting all the answers." Also, they could only deal with highly mature people. They could not deal with baby Essences. Obviously they were not ready for this. Now, when you are doing that, you are dealing with a small percentage of the total population. Like, with multiple, maybe 8% of the population can do that to begin with. A church can't afford to operate on only 8% of the population. They need a lot more to pay the fees to run those churches and to fill up its congregational seats in the churches. So they, the bishops, decided that we must make it easier to get into our church. So all we need to do is say, " Everybody come in here, say this little ritual, dunk your head under water, and be baptized and you can be a member." Now it's a lot easier to get a lot of people that way then to expect them to learn anything while maturing.
Charity: So, in other words, by believing in something that will take care of you humans for a eternity, is a lot easier than trying to come to the realization yourself that you are what you are and you need to take care of yourself along with others. Is that not correct?
Ralph: Well, what I am saying is – I'm pointing out that the Gnostics were interested in personal spiritual improvement. And they spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to do this, the same as I have.
Charity: Of course you have.
Ralph: And they had their teachers, like you are, trying to assist them in this search. OK. They didn't get many people joining their little clubs because not too many people wanted to sit around and try to improve themselves by philosophizing.
Charity: It was too difficult?
Ralph: Yea, and because there is only a certain small portion of any society that are interested in doing that. There may be others out there more interested in raising cows, or collecting taxes, or running armies, or doing those things they got praised for by the other people. Well, the church decided they couldn't afford to run on only this small portion of society that were looking for truth therein. They wanted to be available to the masses. They went after the other 90% instead of the 10% who were Gnostics. Now what are these other 90% doing? You give them a simple set of rules. "You can become a member of our club if you will swear allegiance to our leader, pray to our leader, say hello to our flag, and follow this little set of rules. You can learn that in five minutes." But to sit and think and philosophize and learn yourself, that takes years. They weren't going to wait around for that.
Charity: We can understand that.
Ralph: So they wanted a volume of people who would fill up the churches. Who are folks going to
lead around if they don't have a mass group? They are not going to lead Gnostics around. They aren't even going to listen to them in the first place.
Charity: Ok, you're correct.
Ralph: So that's where the organized churches went for the masses. To do that, you have a baptism, you have a ritual, you have a small code of belief system. "Jesus Christ died, etc." Believe that – you're in. "Yes, I believe in Jesus Christ." Well, our inmates out at prison are doing this all the time in the chapel. They don't know who they are or what they are doing. They are very immature people spiritually.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: But they become part of the whole worldwide body of Christ this way. Now, that's quite an accomplishment for people who have been on the outs.
Charity: Right, we understand that.
Ralph: So, that was a very practical way to go instead of expecting – you're not going to recruit into the church very many gnostics because they are not going to listen to the bishop.
Charity: Right
Ralph: They are no use whatsoever in raising money to build a new chapel.
Charity: OK, we understand that. You understand on how you can answer him?
Ralph: Not really. I'm sorry, we've got one last line down here. Let me also point out here and maybe you can clarify this one, as he mentions that "the angel of the Lord," he is talking about Jesus " being given flesh in union with his human mother Mary and the spirit of the living God." Now, here again, we have the immaculate conception idea.
Charity: Is that the term, is that the one that they state that the Creator entered a human and created a baby?
Ralph: That is exactly what it says here.
Charity: That is impossible. Hope: We keep telling yourselves to keep looking inside at Michael.
Ralph: That is the Gnostic view of things versus the religious hierarchical view of things where only the bishop knows how you should think. H: If you humans chose to relinquish you and your Essences, then that is you choice.
Ralph: Well obviously I don't, but, now the other thing is that we are in a cultural shift now. H: You are going totally off our field
Ralph: No I'm not. Because what you are teaching is for us taking responsibility for number one, our thinking, secondly our actions on that. H: Of course,
Ralph: Now if we can keep that concept in mind, personal responsibility, and not passing on to you or Charity or anybody else. H: That is most correct. You humans have to do it on your own. We are here to guide you, to find your own answers,
Ralph: And you have supplied the Essence who's got the answer for that particular issue you've got a question mark about. H: What you need to do is contact it and find it. A lot of humans have it buried so far beneath them that they its impossible at times to find it.