This is a conversation between Ralph Allison and Charity, a Professor CIE & Faith, a Guardian
CONTROL
Ralph: Just look at our society right now, the OJ trial being a great example of society's mechanism of revenge gone wild, totally out of control, off in every direction that is irrelevant to the issue for which he was tried. You also have the "three strikes you're out" law which is bringing in such massive numbers of criminals to be tried, you can't, they are overwhelming the courthouses and the prisons. It's going to the point of half the people behind bars and the other half running the prisons.
Charity: Correct
Ralph: You can't run a society that way.
Charity: Correct
Ralph: That's the revenge mode being acted out.
Charity: Correct
Ralph: and combined with super protection from all harm by the government. We must lock every had guy up because he might, two years from now, do something wrong.
Charity: And then if you continue to have him locked up, and taken away from society their life plans are not going to be acted out.
Ralph: Not only that, we also have legal principles that they must have all the rights they would have had outside when free. They don't have to pay a nickel for it, take any personal responsibility for gaining their medical care, their education, food, or anything.
Charity: A case in point is your system is handled by or ruled by revenge. Once the revenge mode is taken away, there is no need for a justice system.
Ralph: The only need for a detention system, the prison system, is to keep the people out of circulation that are going wild and hurting everybody.
Charity: That is correct.
Ralph: That is a small portion of them, but that is a necessary group to restrict their movement.
Charity: That is a necessary responsibility of your culture.
Ralph: If that is all we dealt with, I don't think we'd have an economic problem.
Charity: No
Ralph: It's a small enough segment for a temporary span of time.
Charity: That's correct.
Ralph: But it goes on far beyond that.
Charity: You have gone beyond the aspect of keeping and housing the dangerous individuals until they have succumbed or ceased.
Ralph: Yes
Charity: What you have
Ralph: They won't even let them out – they have one at CMC who is totally bedfast with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, which means his spinal cord is degenerated, he can't get out of bed. They won't let him go home and die in the midst of his family. He is sitting there in the prison hospital at CMC right now and his family is begging for him to
Charity: So what is the mode or the reason that your population, the prison, what justification can they offer of not letting this human not be able to be with their family?
Ralph: The entire prison system has approved him going home. The judgement call is up to the Judge at the committing court where he was sentenced, and that judge has refused. One man has said, "NO." He sent him to prison and he is going to stay in prison until the day he dies. That's it, there is no more explanation. Everybody who has evaluated the case in the prison system has said, " We don't need to spend all this money on his care here, we would rather have the family, they
are willing to, they are ready to take care of him. Let him die in their bosoms." They are being very humane about it. The judge say's, "No way. I've got control. He will stay right where he is." I'm not talking logic, I'm talking power.
Charity: That makes no logic at all on that aspect.
Ralph: Except for something from the judge's point of view. We don't know, the judge doesn't have to make any explanation. He just issues an order. In this case, he refuses to issue an order for release. But, I saw that myself, with this one multiple who was there, and the same thing, with his family going to take him home to die of cancer. He died in the hospital. There were several I knew who died in the hospital
Ralph: Now we have the second part of that, which is not the commandment but that he would punish them and their descendants.
Charity: The Creator has no feelings. Therefore how can The Creator hate? He cannot pass judgment, The Creator just loves, pure and simple.
Ralph: All I am saying is that you can understand this has been used for crowd control.
Charity: What sounds to ourselves is that the human wanted to make sure that if they did not follow the rules that they brought to the human race, that this is what's going to happen. And they used the Creator as saying, "I will do this and this."
Ralph: It's like the story of mothers at home telling little Junior, "If you don't behave, Daddy will whip you when he gets home from work." It's a powerful control mechanism. Alright, next it says, "Do not use my name for evil purposes. I, the Lord your God, will punish anyone who misuses my name." Now that's commonly said, "Do not state the name of God in vain." Don't use him for swear words.
Charity: We don't swear.
Ralph: It's saying to the people that people should not use, and the common one in conflict with this is when somebody says, "God damn you." that means, "I want God to condemn you to some horrible fate because you have made me unhappy." That's what "Goddamn you" comes from. It's a violation of this –
Charity: First of all, The Creator does not, cannot and will not punish any human being. He made humans being to be exactly what they are. And he gave the Essences unto them.
Ralph: This is just using his name as an insult.
Charity: The Lord seems to ourselves – we don't understand why they use the name "The Lord." The Lord to ourselves does not mean anything, we don't even have a word that means anything close to that.
Ralph: Lord is master of any group.
Charity: Well, The Creator is not a master.
Ralph: Good point, that is what this implies, the master over a group, like the lord over servants.
Charity: Oh, no, the human beings are not servants. The human beings are still on this earth to live their lifetimes and to grow and to become Essences so they can take their place.
Ralph: The meaning I get of this is like in politics, you have a governor over a state, you have a president over the United States and he has armies and police he can call on, he enforces the laws and if he tells you you have broken the law, he can hire these people to put you in jail.
Charity: Again to ourselves, this is another rule that the humans have brought down and put down and "swear words" you say, if you use a swear word with The Creator's name in it, whatever The Creator's name might be.
Ralph: Yahweh was the most common one there.
Charity: Then therefore, if you do that, it goes against what they want the humans to do, so therefore they put that rule in there.
Charity: Ah, yes. We have. Follow What Your Essence Says, Negating Free Will. First of all, what following what number one says, which is "Acknowledge the existence of the Essence", if you
come to the terms of No. 1, No. 2 is more difficult.
Ralph: Would you explain that?
Charity: We would be happy to. First of all, the avenue of control that you humans need to have – by first of all, by following number one, Acknowledging, you are stating that you know we are there. ???
Ralph: What you do about its existence is another question.
Charity: That's right. We are stating that No. 2, if you follow that part of you is, leads to us. Humans problem is control, control means that you know ??? . There is nothing else there. That can ??, correct?
Ralph: That's control.
Charity: Basically.
Ralph: There was that one expert who determined that man is here to control nature. And that is what our scientists preach. That is what the newspaper headlines "we must control this disease." "We must control the elements."
Charity: That is correct, you humans have been indoctrinated with it.
Ralph: That is the goodness, to control nature.
Charity: Just as the avenue, as the terms that you state, to control disease.
Ralph: The war against these things.
Charity: Whatever action, controlling the environment, controlling the weather, controlling death.
Ralph: Oh, yes
Charity: That is the ultimate control that you human beings wish to have. Correct?
Ralph: Correct.
Charity: You want to be – you as a human body do not want to cease to exist. Correct?
Ralph: That is a universal
Charity: What is the term you humans have for it? Immortal?
Ralph: Immortal, yes, we would like to be immortal.
Charity: You are not going to be.
Ralph: The problem is that it is not a practical action since this body wears out and can't be immortal.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: So if we are talking about being immortal in this body, it gets frail and diseased, and broken.
Charity: Correct, but all humans are trying to find an avenue to keep the physical shell well and not, as you state, growing old. It is the same and so forth.
Ralph: Like the man who came to Florida to find the fountain of eternal youth. If you drink the water of Ponce de Leon, if you drink the water, you will stay young forever.
Charity: Correct, but that does not happen.
Ralph: They have tried to make it happen.
Charity: Yes, to make humans younger again. Why do you humans have that vain aspect? It's always controlling the whole avenue. Of what you humans have right now is a controlling attitude. You are in charge of yourselves. Therefore you are to be in charge of all things around you. Correct'?
Ralph: You talked about Gene. He's got a major problem with that, it is – he however doesn't come from the type of childhood that I would expect like my wife with alcoholic parents. There the adults don't have control of what goes on in the family. They are out of control themselves. The child naturally wants control so chaos does not reign. If you are raised in that, where everyone is out of control, wanting control is understandable. But he does not have that. He had nice decent parents as far as I know. So I don't know about the rest of us who don't have a bizarre home want control.
Charity: The normal human experience
Ralph: The other thing is if you compare our rearing with say that that might occur in the American Indian tribes, if you are raised along with the medicine man who is teaching you about the CIE
as they see it, that's part of how you are raised, and you are in relationship to them from the day you are born. You would have a very different attitude. You know you can't control them.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: You wouldn't be wearing yourself out.
Charity: But what is happening is that the humans who are now teaching the other humans – it is passing down further and further the control issue. What the humans ignore avenue and the children avenue and their children, realize there is something else.
Ralph: OK, the other thing is that the CIE don't exist in their knowledge. They lose control, and chaos reigns, and that leaves a mess.
Charity: What we are saying is that you don't need to be concerned for yourself. You humans have chosen to have control in all matters including our realm. And by having control of our realm, you are therefore feigning chaos.
Ralph: Feigning?
Charity: In other words, coming close to chaos, skirting it, on the outskirts. You are taking over our responsibilities, our duties.
Ralph: And as we talked, your duties lead to quite different behaviors than what we are thinking is moral and good and proper and American.
Charity: Right, correct. By following your Essence, you have already come to the first part of acknowledging something, but now you have to give up control.
Ralph: Horrors.
Charity: It is. As Dr. Gene knows, Dr. Gene was fighting. He was stating that he did not want that. He did not want to give up control.
Ralph: And yet, at the same time, we have so many people who are experiencing when they come to a point where they cant maintain control, the CIE have snuck in, but they wouldn't be allowed to tell you about it.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: And they have their own stories where things opened up. Something just happened. A rescuer came by.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: A landslide occurred, or a monsoon hit, or whatever.
Charity: Correct. The CIE should not have to create avenues to show humans they are not in control. That's what listening and following what your Essence says.
Ralph: Now, to control hasn't always been with humans ??? It hasn't been an important issue all the time we have been on earth. Back in the old days, when they started, they knew they couldn't control the animals and trees.
Charity: Of course, but when The Great Deception happened, that was when the avenue started.
Ralph: How? What kind of experiences taught that?
Charity: We don't understand.
Ralph: I'm just trying to see what we have to reverse. What kind of experience did these humans have that would lead them to think they have to have control, when they had been doing quite well without it? What are we having to reverse that is basic? What elements of the Great Deception were related to teaching them to have to control Nature?
Charity: First of all, the cities had to be built. So the first grand design is that they had control over the land.
Ralph: Oh, my friends in anthropology, one wrote a book on this, when you had the hunter-gatherer trips who moved around, they didn't have control over the land or the weather or the animals, they worked with them and survived just like the tribes of animals did. The Shaman was their spiritual leader and guide who went into his trances and related them, etc. In this one paper I heard, every time a tribe decided to set up on a fixed piece of land, they would put stakes in the
ground to mark their territory and they had sheep and they built a hut.
Charity: They didn't need a shaman any more.
Ralph: One of the buildings they built was a church. Not by the shaman, because he didn't need it. He lived in his little hut. But somebody decided we needed a place to worship God and have all the people come so there was a bishop who could tell them how to behave.
Charity: That's correct.
Ralph: Now, I'm just pointing out, this researcher found that in every one of a number of different ancient books, he could find some mythological leader who taught them how to farm and tend cattle in their fenced area, and the name of this teacher was always some variety of Jesus. This is not just the name of the one in Nazareth that died on the cross. And that was the one they saw as sort of the God-Man that came from the Gods to teach them how to farm appropriately. I will never forget how he went through a number of books to find that out, from many different countries. It is not an Israeli invention.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: He explained, why would farming have such a – you have to control a piece of land and the weather.
Charity: You have to control land, forest, by building the houses.
Ralph: You have to control the water so it doesn't wash your house down the river.
Charity: Right.
Ralph: You have to keep the fences up.
Charity: You have to then start controlling Nature and from there it builds.
Ralph: You have to have a roof over your head to keep the rain out of your
Charity: You have to protect your property.
Ralph: And keeping the robbers away who want to steal you cows.
Charity: Then start a massive stockpile of physical possessions and then start defending your physical possessions. And it therefore builds even further to the process that you then want to make it when children are going to be born, to make it when you are going to have a male species,
Ralph: Oh, yes, you want to control the sexes.
Charity: Right, then you by changing you physical appearance from a face of wisdom to a face of innocence, to changing the existence or to make you lives go longer, instead of passing away when you should.
Ralph: One emotional reason for wanting control is Fear.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: How did the people before that avoid that fear? The people in the Hunter/Gatherer tribes, with the shaman? They were build the same way emotionally. They didn't fear what might happen if they didn't exert control.
Charity: Because they knew what was there for them.
Ralph: They had the Nature Spirits to work with them.
Charity: Correct. They were in a cooperative effort. What has happened now is that the humans are on a singular basis. They are out for themselves as humans. Not for someone else. You are not together, on your own.
Ralph: OK. There have been a number of studies among animals who operate in groups as to how do they do in a test where they have choices. Do they look after themselves or do they look after somebody else who might then look after themselves? They have a number of these kinds of tests worked out to see about social behavior in animals. And most of the time you find the animals are looking after the others as an instinct, that is built in. Because that is the way the group will survive. If you only look after yourself, everybody looks after themselves and the group ceases to exist after a while.
Charity: At the very beginning of this point, ?? to that stage and that is one avenue of reason that we
are here. To train you, to tide around.
Ralph: What examples of that are you seeing?
Charity: On the avenue of the humans taking upon themselves to destroy a single race or culture because they don't like it.
Ralph: Ethnic cleansing they call it.
Charity: Changing the way the weather is by destroying the trees.
Ralph: They have done a lot of cutting down what they call the rain forests in Brazil and other areas which are massive interconnected systems.
Charity: And they you have the businesses that are for profit only and by doing a job of whatever they are building just to amass great amounts of monetary gains.
Ralph: You have a few buildings in Japan and Korea which fell down because the people cheated on the quality of the material and these buildings couldn't stand up. They killed a lot of people.
Charity: Correct. And then you have the avenues of what you would call cults that state that the government is wrong, therefore they will denounce the government and do what they need to do to destroy the government, to make them stronger. Those are some areas.
Ralph: We also have governments who are getting more and more control.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: With more and more things that they don't trust us people down here to deal with.
Charity: As with the Internet connections.
Ralph: We must not have those dirty pictures there. Watch that language there.
Charity: Correct. You also have the avenue of when they can tell you where you can live and where you cannot. Where you can do ??, and where you cannot. If you can leave or come back.
Ralph: How many children you can have?
Charity: Right, if you can live in whatever dwelling you can live, that kind of avenue. You have many different kinds of controls that are building to a breaking point or strangulation.
Ralph: We have that in regulations of small businesses in the US. This is where one person goes out to start a business, in an office. There are many regulations to follow. There is more work on following the regulations than on conducting the business. That is where most of the jobs exist, in small businesses. If you make it hard on them, they might as well stay at home. You lose the business.
Charity: You also have the avenue of taking away our responsibility that have to do with the existence of the human physical self by extending their existence longer than what needs to be – to cure all diseases, to have basically what you humans are working towards you would call a sterile environment.
Ralph: Oh, yes, we can't have any bacteria or viruses or funguses.
Charity: That will not happen, as you can tell, we are bringing about new strains of viruses and bacteria.
Ralph: But most of them are not harmful to the human body in the first place.
Charity: That is correct.
Ralph: If you take antibiotics, you kill them, then you get a fungus infection because you don't have the bacteria in there and the fungus takes over and you are worse off.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: Now we are in a different era of jobs. The production era is coming to a close. The industrial era is being replaced by the Information Era. Bill Gates and the Internet being an example. They are not selling a "thing". They are selling a capacity to interchange and share information. Which means you can live anywhere in the world nowadays. And now we are getting the governments interfering in that because they want to set limits Faith: They want to control.
Ralph: Right, you can't have these dirty pictures.
F: Correct. Then, as you see, you see how it is.
Ralph: Let me ask this. I am being here the Devil's Advocate. One German prosecutor said he is going to take CompuServe service into the German court if they don't stop sending those dirty messages over CompuServe wires. CompuServe wiped them all out. Now what he is claiming is that he is protecting those poor German children from reading those nasty dirty messages. A lot of people see nothing wrong with that. That is what the government is there for. Protect the children from harm. F: Why? F: You were stating about CompuServe and the German.
Ralph: The one German prosecutor who is protecting the children, if you have a child and have a computer and you enter there and pick out these discussion groups that are using dirty sexy words. So therefore the government feels a responsibility to protect them from harm. Also they might have people lurking on those bulletin boards who want to have messages sent to these children to meet them somewhere where they can sexually abuse them. F: All right.
Ralph: These are bad people. So they are in the business of protecting innocent children. To do that they want to wipe out all communications of sexy things that go to children. F: No.
Ralph: This is where we are faced this week. F: No. The avenue is no.
Ralph: How is CompuServe to deal with such people? We have it in the paper here. F: You do not need to protect. The children are going to the part of them to see it.
Ralph: How could you let that happen? How could you have these innocent little children see something that is sexy, that is so vulgar? I understand, they don't see it as vulgar. The adults see it as vulgar. F: Correct. This is the stereotype they make to the child. And the child therefore has become ingrained that it is wrong, so they are going to seek it out. Therefore it is a control issue, a bureaucrat telling people what they can or cannot do. Correct?
Ralph: So passing laws against exploiting children does not improve the quality of their future lives. F: Correct.
Ralph: So of all the regulations, you would not be happy with many of them? F: Yes, you could definitely say that.
Ralph: We thought we were protecting their health and safety. That sounds so nice. I heard the Secretary of Labor on TV when they were closing the government, saying, "We have to have our people out there to protect these people in the workplace." Because otherwise the employers would give them nasty chemicals to breathe or they would have major F: Unless it is part of their life plan.
Ralph: But they have the right to a harmless work environment. You have probably heard that phrase. F: Many times, yes.
Ralph: And you say they don't have the right to a harmless work environment? F: Not if it is not part of their life plan, no. On this avenue, we think we answered your questions.
Ralph: I know, you would just like to put bureaucrats out of work. Then is where will those people go to work? Maybe in their life plans require that they have these jobs as bureaucrats. F: No.
Ralph: You believe there is no room for bureaucrats under those conditions. F: Correct. There are other positions they could have.
Ralph: Then you are going to have a lot of employment available. F: There is.
Ralph: What can an unemployed bureaucrat do? They are used to passing rules for other peoples'
safety. F: As you would state, there are the jobs of the people from the other workers.
Ralph: Oh, the field workers, stoop labor. F: That's what you call it?
Ralph: They could do those jobs? F: There are many jobs.
Ralph: An interesting shift that would have to come about. F. You could go out and do that, also.
Ralph: I did that as a kid. F: You could also go out there and do that.
Ralph: I'm not sure my back would hold up. F: We would have you reach up on the tree and pull down the fruit.
Ralph: That would be an interesting shift in the job roles. F: Of course.
Ralph: Having the bureaucrats who are controlling the work environment working in the fields. F: Of course.
Ralph: I don't think we will see it in my lifetime. OK, so the basic thing is that the jobs up there are not within this territory that we live in by our laws. F: Yes. Again do not make laws and regulations. You have too many of them.
Ralph: We started out with the 10 Commandments as the first list of laws and regulations. F: And of course
Ralph: It was fine with that group. F: With that group, correct.
Ralph: I don't think we had to get it more complicated. F: If you remember, we have broken down the Ten Commandments into Five Principles. Correct? What is more simpler than that?
Ralph: You are right, OK, bye bye.
Charity: Did she answer your questions?
Ralph: The major thing is to put no geographical limits on where the jobs are. They put all these regulations out to limit what you can do.
Charity: By following, as you can tell, your human existence comes in the way of controls.
Ralph: I don't know why I am peculiar, but I do know that in my lifetime, I have always had the belief that Hope explained. It has just been innate. If you will just leave people alone to design their own job training programs and job creation program, there is a job for everyone somewhere.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: And I have said that to myself, many many times.
Charity: We know. But you can also see there is the control aspect of human nature. Correct?
Ralph: I say this, because of the fear that something horrible will happen if they are not in charge.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: They don't have the faith that the people will do well by them.
Charity: This avenue of them taking control because of the fear that something wont come out correctly, what about the weather? There are still humans who are trying to control that avenue. But the earthquakes still come, the tornadoes still come, the floods still come, and what happens when those disasters happen, what happens to the humans existence? Does it not change, become friends with each other?
Ralph: They rescue each other.
Charity: Correct, therefore the closer they are together
Ralph: You are having to operate on the scene as it needs to be done, not by some rules set out,
yesserie. We are certainly getting a lot of that over in the Boston area.
Charity: Do you not enjoy snow?
Ralph: No, I don't. I had my fill.
Charity: As you can see what happens with the human. To give the humans something that ties them together and they feel important.
Ralph: You get the paper here this morning? The T-T?
Charity: No, she does not get it.
Ralph: In the paper this morning, one of those, "the good things that have happened because of the snow." No murders, or 70 hours or so, the criminals couldn't leave home and kill anybody. And the police went to work and had nothing to do. They got all their paperwork caught up on. Nobody was out there shooting. The minute the snow stopped, the shooting started again.
Charity: But did you notice how quiet it was?
Ralph: Oh, yes.
Charity: Did it not bring to mind what could be?
Ralph: Well, on a long term basis, what would happen? Actually, it is so much like when you are working on a prison on a weekend and nobody is around telling you what to do. Everybody is efficient, oriented towards getting a job done. So pleasant.
Charity: We don't want to give you too much.
Ralph: I don't know anybody who runs a business who will have that much trust in that type of an operation to put their money and their END OF TAPE
Ralph: Well, one of the major rules that messes it up is what I call the Fairness Doctrine. That everyone must be dealt with fairly, meaning equally to all people, and that is not part of your code.
Charity: No. Each human has to experience their life plan that they are set upon this time to experience. You humans want to change.
Ralph: That is where our lawyer friends have been propounding that very vigorously and they are getting control of the rules and regulations for all these things.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: Now maybe you can do something about the types of lawyers we get. Can you improve their spirituality?
Charity: No.
Ralph: Now come on, that would seem to be the most effective way to improve the system.
Charity: No, they don't have enough time and experiences to be able to improve them.
Ralph: They are not terribly advanced.
Charity: No.
Ralph: So they are in need of a lot of control.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: Now I have to deal with them at work.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: It's a challenge.
Charity: But you find it most satisfying and gratifying, now that we have been teaching yourself.
Ralph: I can get into the vision of what if so and so had this experience. People in positions of power and control. There whole life has been devoted to more and more control.
Charity: The experience of ourselves telling the human beings that the control issue, once they have dropped that, that the humans would feel most uncomfortable. But they have also had the same kind of experience.
Ralph: Now, just looking at if one of those people in that position were to have this experience and become willing to change, the problem I see right off the bat then is that the other people he's
been controlling him are not going to be changed, and he might fear he is going to he overwhelmed and controlled by them.
Charity: That is a human reaction. But you have to remember if they have listened to their Essence and have changed as you would state, then therefore that fear will not be there as they are practicing the principles.
Ralph: It is just that like when two sides have been at war, and eventually one side decides we have got to stop having a war, but they are evenly matched and either can destroy the other one if somebody loses control. They have to be very careful, like a chess game, who gives up first. Somebody has got to move first. And they have to move at the same time.
Charity: You have to remember, as you state two countries, you also have the two human beings who are in charge of those countries. If the one human being sees the other human being trusting and following and living by the principles then they will want to follow and live by the principles. If they, if you know they have the avenue of some one who is better than ourselves, then they will want to balance the matter of forces, so if you have one that is practicing, the other one is going to practice, since they don't want this human to be better than they are. By that avenue, or even coming that close, and going that way of starting the principles, they are becoming indoctrinated. It is now matter of any habit.
Ralph: That is the kind of thing, when you have leaders of countries with much at stake, and they are critical movers of what happens, and people could die in large numbers if they make a mistake.
Charity: Correct
Ralph: And for them to be able to trust that other person in an equal part to go along with this plan is the big issue. The ones we have had so far have had a mediator who goes hack and forth between them – they won't even meet in the same room.
Charity: That is because the mediator is using the communication of the Essences. And once the plan has been worked out, the mediator disappears, and the Essence start talking.
Ralph: The one in Bosnia then retired and went off to his old job. He got the Bosnian leaders and so far they are still behaving themselves.
Charity: Correct. What is most important on No. 2 is to realize that there is something there. It has credentials, it has a duty statement, it has existed before, it has had many lives before, it brings its experiences besides our teaching to the physical self.
Ralph: I know that now, hut you kept that hidden from me.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: Now, if you kept that hidden from me, should we keep that hidden from people we introduce it to now?
Charity: No.
Ralph: But why keep it hidden from me and you want to tell them all these things?
Charity: Your teaching was a growing aspect for yourself. You are what is known as the professor.
Ralph: You are the professor.
Charity: We know what ourselves is. But yourself is the professor. You need all knowledge. The only way that you are getting the knowledge is for ourselves to give you the piece of information that you need. And as you state, the "ah ha" experience.
Ralph: It does seem peculiar that people seem eager to follow their free will
Charity: Of course, it is a control mechanism.
Ralph: The trouble is when they do follow their free will, they make their lives harder for themselves, which isn't logical that they would want to do that.
Charity: Correct, but time and time again, they have constantly done it that way. And our question or our response to it is "stop reaction."
Ralph: This sort of shows a failure in the learning process.
Charity: As you would say, short circuited the response.
Ralph: I am saying that in conditioning a person, you have a stimulus and a response. Now, the first time you use the stimulus, the response leads them into a bad, bad painful situation. You would think logically that they wouldn't keep responding that way and getting that reaction. But humans seem to keep doing that.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: They have a – Freud had a good day that day. They call it repetition compulsion. In spite of the bad result, you keep doing it. You see the prisoners doing it all the time.
Charity: As they feel comfortable as they know the reaction is going to be.
Ralph: That's true. They know what to expect, even if its miserable. They are happier knowing what they are going to get, than taking a chance on an unknown.
Charity: Correct.
Charity: We were on Item 2.
Ralph: Yes. Well, what more could we say about that?
Charity: We are not finished with it.
Ralph: When you read it, it sounds very straightforward. "Follow what your Essence say, negating free will." Now what could be simpler than that?
Charity: ??
Ralph: I know the world hasn't done it.
Charity: As we said, free will is taking over what your Essence tells yourself.
Ralph: Now, as I understand it, as humans moved into villages and farmed land, that's when control became an important issue.
Charity: Important
Ralph: Because they had to control access to their land and had to control water to their crops and all of this was part of living.
Charity: Yes. It was ?? volumes of Essences. And there have been cultures who have changed that avenue and they are not in control avenues. They are following what the CIE are saying and what their Essences say.
Ralph: But they are very small groups compared to the rest of the world.
Charity: That is correct.
Ralph: And you are expecting this to be the way the entire world runs? It seems to me it would be an extremely long range proposition.
Charity: Why?
Ralph: Because of the numbers of people we are talking about.
Charity: Why?
Charity: So, as we were stating on the avenue of the principles, you can see how the building blocks are associated. And the control issue is very important to overcome and to live your existence with Number 2.
Ralph: We've got, the whole thing is coming back around that we need to control, we have to control, we have got to control, it is essential we control.
Charity: Which is the avenue is true for your culture at this time. As that is what your generation has been primed for, but what has happened is that with the control issue, you need to control everything. The humans are seeing that they cannot do that. It does not work, it is futile.
Ralph: It would seem rather obvious with the discoveries of astronomy, what have you, with the new worlds being seen by the Hubble telescope and sending these little satellites out there. They are not controlling anything. They can't control. The spaceships can't control, they are at the mercy.
Charity: All avenues of this planet, even with your weathermen and when they track storms, they see that there is an intelligence that runs it. As when they are not interfered with, they can see that it has a deliberate course. And that it comes out from nowhere, goes somewhere, and they all can
see the aftermath of what happened. The control issue needs to be destroyed. Those humans wont be able to control the weather CIE. But it is still happening.
Ralph: There is no tool they have.
Charity: The earthquakes still happen.
Ralph: The only tool they have that would have enough power to force them into anything would he like an atomic or hydrogen bomb.
Charity: Therefore it is destruction.
Ralph: True, but I'm saying that those are the only forces we have that have anything that comes anywhere near effecting those kinds of nature forces.
Charity: Those nature forces the humans can see, for example, the controls are not working. You also have the control on viruses and bacteria.
Ralph: We have many people working on that.
Charity: Most humans have known that they would be able to defeat many of the viruses and bacteria quite a long time ago, but they never did, as the CIE bring about more and different strains. And the control regarding the viruses in what you call Africa
Ralph: Ebola
Charity: That was there. It destroyed the humans that needed to, but all control did not work. It was there and then it ceased.
Ralph: True.
Charity: The humans did nothing. There was no treatment, therefore there was no control.
Ralph: Now we have people who have had the HIV virus and little babies are born with it from their mother's blood stream and suddenly it is disappearing after about two months of age. And the doctors want to find out their biology is so they can give it to the patients and control it.
Charity: They won't
Ralph: I don't think they will find much. Think of all the efforts they are going to put out and all the money they are going to spend trying.
Charity: We know.
Ralph: And we have all these other people who are living ten years with HIV and no physical illness.
Charity: And then there are those who have the virus but do not have the disease.
Ralph: Right, that's what I'm saying.
Charity: When they are ready, they no longer exist.
Ralph: No longer what?
Charity: They cease to exist. When they should not have ceased, per the doctors.
Ralph: I say, when it first came out they said anyone who gets it can live maybe five years, then they are going to die from the illness. Now we have people like Magic Johnson out playing basketball and he has now had it for something like 10 years. He is a professional basketball player.
Charity: We also have humans that have the virus but do not have the disease. Which they should be having.
Ralph: Right, and nobody can explain it. Why those people are physically doing so well.
Charity: You have those avenues.
Ralph: That's true, you can't argue with the facts.
Charity: The whole avenue for humans to be able to practice and to live and to exist with Principle No. 2 is to stay out of control. Do not practice free will.
Ralph: How about this latest bill that was signed into law today regarding the whole communication industry. Which included the control of content which might upset little children because it is dirty. Which of course they are not aware that the Essence can make them deaf, dumb and blind if they want to. You do have that going on, don't you? to keep the little infants from what they cant handle. The Essence is there to monitor everything that comes into their view.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: And they can see a blur if it is something that isn't of interest to them.
Charity: Maybe they will not see it. Maybe they will see another thing.
Ralph: We were taught about that in Sex Education, when we were trying to teach that in school, and the doctor was giving a talk said, "It is the adults; the kids can't comprehend what it is all about."
Charity: That's right.
Ralph: So how can they get upset? They don't know what you are talking about.
Charity: That's correct.
Ralph: No one is paying attention to them, of course. The adults are upset and they think they cant get the kids upset. We must protect them, control their environment. When you talk like that about these issues, then we are accused of going backwards into ancient history when we weren't doing these wonderful things for these children, and that's bad, to regress back to those days of dirt and guilt and sin and all those things. They were awful, because we are now much better. That is the kind of thinking. To propound something like this, that was only good when they lived in caves. As if anybody before twenty years ago was totally stupid, ignorant and evil. That is the current attitude these days.
Ralph: And you are telling them that Moses made those up by himself.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: Well, I would say the CIE at that time needed them made up.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: So they made it appear as if this miracle occurred and God must be behind it.
Charity: We have an avenue in favor of that. If The Book is correct, which it is not, when your human called Moses came down from the mountain with the tablets, but then he broke them, correct? And therefore he had to make new ones. Did he make them? Or did he state that the Creator did? R: The Creator gave him the first ones.
Charity: But then he broke those.
Ralph: I presume he had to carve out new ones that he would believe are identical to the first ones.
Charity: How would Moses have remembered what the first ones were?
Ralph: His Essence memory was very good. That gave him a perfect chance to write in anything he wanted. And he had a responsibility to run this group of ragtag people who didn't know how to get along with each other.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: He had like a gang trying to set up some procedural rules so they
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: He didn't have a parliament, he didn't have a police force, he didn't have any tools that they had agreed upon. Nobody elected him leader and gave him authority over him.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: And the only authority they recognized was their God.
Charity: Right.
Ralph: So you will have to admit he was pretty smart.
Charity: And by using that power he was able to develop the social controls that are in process now.
Ralph: Let me ask you, in the Internet, are you going to let them pass the censorship proposal or are we going to have the ACLU win their little battle? We have all this need to protect the children.
Charity: And control.
Ralph: You have to exert control if you are going to protect the children. That's a good reason for control, see.
Charity: No, it isn't.
Ralph: That's what they have done. They have spent a lot of effort at it.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: You wouldn't want these sexy comments coming on your computer that your four-year-old might read sometime. You understand they are much more concerned about sexy things than about violent things. Which is another paradox.
Charity: ??
Ralph: Why is that? You have got to wipe out sex and violence. Why is sex such a horrible thing'? Violence I can see. Sex is creative, violence is destructive.
Charity: That's where you humans have a contradiction of what you state.
Ralph: That's always – doesn't make any sense.
Charity: No.
Ralph: Well, I'm just looking for the future, you know. No. 5 we are at.
Charity: "Impart your wisdom to others who have not grown as you have."
Ralph: Now there is something I keep forgetting. Some of this wisdom has to he one-on-one and some of the wisdom can be general to groups.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: I keep forgetting with us talking about all of it with each other here, you know, I keep forgetting which is which. What subjects can be given in seminars where you don't know each individual levels of the people and which has to be restricted to those you know who can handle it.
Charity: Basically, that there is an Essence there and different avenues of contacting what's there. The basic structure and outline. Then when it comes to doing it and contacting it and knowing when you have it, that is a one-to-one situation.
Ralph: What about the identity of what it is?
Charity: What do you mean?
Ralph: Well, reincarnation,
Charity: That is all the avenue of general knowledge for all.
Ralph: That is when people started walking out of the meeting in Orlando. I just mentioned the word and off they go. I didn't mean to insult anybody. You mention that word, and the lady was talking about the boy genius and she said, "We don't know if this come from, reincarnation, we have to he accepting of it." We cant just go around cubby-holing it, but that's still a loaded word in this society. You are a kook if you believe in that.
Charity: Once it has been explained, that it has run everything, there will be no fear. It is very important that humans don't want to be controlled, and that is what they would see the Essence as, as a controlling avenue. A controlling entity. Humans don't want to give up control. Humans want control.
Ralph: That is certainly true. But we have never had much concept that there is a control of a non- human source. Control we want to avoid is of other people who are in the power position over us. Governors, military people, people like that. That's an understandable fear to have people controlling us. We don't have any concept that I can think of a non-human controlling us, and I think of you doing your little trips on me, even that's certainly controlling me, like I control my car when I drive it. I know which buttons to push to get it to go where and do what.
Charity: We know which buttons to push in you humans.
Ralph: I understand.
Charity: But you also have the Free Will to not listen to your buttons being pushed. Until you have had too much.
Ralph: Well, the thing is the purpose of pushing the buttons is to get me where I'll do better. It is not a punitive thing, it is not anything that causes me any problem.
Charity: It does not cause you harm.
Charity: Why? R; Because then we are getting into the control issue.
Charity: Humans have a very interesting avenue regarding control. We control all that you humans do. But you humans choose somehow, with your own emotional part of yourself, your own Free Will, you try to ignore what we are doing. We still have our ways. We still get our ways.
Ralph: I know that. I've seen enough evidence of it.
Charity: But the process is for you humans to continue to fight. Continue to use Free Will because that is what makes yourself happy. Continue to do it. We will continue to have our way. So why fight?
Ralph: I was just thinking about, you told me one time that all the Weather CIE are ???. We have the environmentalist people who are all worried about the damage people are doing to the physical environment around the world, like the ozone layer we have to protect us from noxious radiations.
Charity: But the humans think that.
Ralph: That's what they are saying. They take their measurements and think there is a hole up there and it is getting bigger and they are blaming certain chemicals we make for doing that and I take it you weren't terribly concerned about that. Why not?
Charity: Why?
Ralph: We were very concerned and wiped out all these chemicals that are used in refrigerators, as they are making a hole in the ozone layer.
Charity: Because the humans assume certain avenues they are inappropriate. They are you humans concern in avenues in our realm.
Ralph: I'm just pointing to these are people who are very concerned that you keep control of your realm but they don't want the humans to ruin it.
Charity: ???
Ralph: They are saying that humans by their scientific engineering are making the machinery you use faulty. Should we or should we not make these fluorocarbons as they call them that are allegedly making this big hole and destroying the ozone? That is a very
Charity: Again the scientific measurement that you humans have is a scientific measurement but it does not equate in our realm. You again humans think that you have to control the whole aspect. You don't need to. We are here.
Ralph: Well, I'm just asking, this is one thing the environmentalists are very busy trying to help the Weather CIE, if they knew the Weather CIE existed. So we don't poison the atmosphere by putting all kinds of bad chemicals in the air that then make difficult for rain to be as nourishing as it is. It sounds good.
Charity: Has it ever stopped?
Ralph: Acid rain is the kind of thing they worry about. It comes down and poisons the ground.