CIE Views on Aztecs

This is a conversation between Ralph Allison and Charity, a Professor CIE., and Faith, a Spiritual Guardian CIE.

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This is a conversation between Ralph Allison and Charity, a Professor CIE., and Faith, a Spiritual

Guardian CIE. AZTECS

Ralph: OK, now Energy we were talking about. And you got the whole rain forest. Oh, speaking of that, I have ordered a tape about the Incas that was on TV last night. Called "Lost Civilizations and when it is here I will show it to you and it has wonderful pictures of art work on the ground that can only be seen from the sky, great lines that nobody knows how they put them in the ground. No. 1, when you are on the ground, you can hardly see it, like a pathway, but it's been there for 3-4 thousand years and doesn't change. Now weather and such would ordinarily change. Nobody explained that in the program.

Charity: Then why? OK

Ralph: It's in the same exact form that it was four thousand years ago. or whenever it might have been laid down by the Incas. And you would think with weathering the rocks and things like that they would disappear over time, the highways disappear with the weather knocking the asphalt around, and when they are walking on it, it is still there without any maintenance. And no people there and nobody can see them except from an airplane and they don't know if anyone had airplanes in those days. One guy even invented a balloon that they could have made from the items they had and could fly, and he was up for all of two minutes, then he came down. So they wouldn't have seen too much in two minutes. Anyhow, I wanted you to see it, as to why they had these big pictures of birds, why there are all these lines, from the sky you have some kind of a design, like jewelry, you know, like letters laid out, birds and snakes and

Charity: Is that a question?

Ralph: Well, I'm curious which one of the Aztec people built all those?

Charity: Is that a question?

Ralph: That would be a good question. And how could they lay out the plans when you had to he up in the sky to see where it went? That's sort of hard to figure out unless you had a permanent dirigible up there. Did they have airplanes three thousand years ago that could look at these things, and who was looking at them? You had to be up in the sky to see them. On the ground, you don't see them. So the people themselves wouldn't have been able to see them at all.

Charity: That's right. Sounds like you are answering your own question.

Ralph: The question is what good are they? What are they, and who did what? Who put them there? Big bird designs, for example. Three hundred feet across. And what could it do for the people on the ground? They didn't even have horses, they walked all over the place. So how could they learn anything from things they couldn't see?

Charity: How do you know?

Ralph: I'm just saying you said you caused things that they learned from, and I'm making a jump here that these were things you might have made, too, but I can't see how the people could have learned anything when they couldn't see them.

Charity: But they did see them.

Ralph: But how could they see them when they are walking on them. You can't see them except when you are way up above.

Charity: They saw.

Ralph: In the Aztec movie, the other one that I had gotten, they also discussed in the Aztec culture, that they considered the blood of the King to be the place in which all of the godly powers was invested. So he would bleed himself onto the papers and those became healing documents and they have this belief system, that his blood had magical powers, and they dripped it all over those things to have those

Charity: That is the same concept, but the concept of what the humans use it as now, first of all there is not blood anymore in that human body because that human body does not exist. Therefore it

cannot have any organs that can make it bleed.

Ralph: That's right.

Charity: So they use an analogy.

What about the idea of telling him more about the Aztec situation that parallels the Christ? Do you want to cover that? That would be one way of distancing him from that.

Charity: The avenue that he has opened to you now in this letter, which is the part.

Ralph: That is the spirit, O.K..

Charity: The avenue that he had opened to yourself, it states here that the Christian theology is not perfect, words to that effect.

Faith: But as we understand correctly the avenue of the Mexican government is that they are doing something about that now?

Ralph: I was just listening on the radio that there is – the problem is that they talk about it, at the highest levels, but they don't do anything about it. F: Correct.

Ralph: Now what you do have is a new trade agreement and that's coming along. F: Which will create more positions down where you stated.

Ralph: Actually, one of the major problems in Mexico is that the country is run by a very few families who control everything else. It's not like the US where anyone can set up a business and make a pile of money. Down there you have 5% but everyone else is in the working poor. F: Again, as Charity has stated, it is a control issue. Give up the control and let us do our job.

Ralph: And you could encourage these people to make more jobs available right where they lived if they weren't being controlled by somebody else. F: Correct.

Ralph: OK, I have no argument on that one. F: We thought you would understand.

Ralph: This is the trouble when Jill went down there, that is what she learned, that the Castillian Spanish group controlling the other 95% that were the Aztec, Mexican native group that are on the bottom. They are the ones who are coming up to the US to find the work. F: Yes. Does that answer your question on the job situation.

Ralph: You have got to eliminate international barriers for the jobs to be available to the bodies, because you are not only looking at the US, or Canada or Mexico or Guatemala. F: We are looking after the whole thing.

Ralph: There is a whole area that you have the responsibility for. F: Correct.

Ralph: Which is going be many countries, so if we let people travel, they will find whatever they need. F: They will be led. If they follow number one, there will be something in there.

Ralph: I think that is where you are going to get a lot of arguments from these people. Looking at these Christians who say, "I let Christ in my heart, and therefore I do A, B or C." Some of the A, B, and Cs have been assaulting people who have done abortions in abortion clinics, being in favor of the death penalty, getting these bad people executed so they won't be running around doing had things against others. Those are two favorites.

Charity: Our avenue again is not following what an Essence will do. The Creator does not care. The Creator cares that you as humans stop interfering in our actions.

Ralph: So what I'm saying is that if that is the action they feel Christ leads them to do, they have not even labeled their Essence correctly.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: Their Essence could be called Christ if they wished to.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: But no Essence is going to be supporting these kinds of violent behaviors.

Charity: No.

Ralph: Certainly they themselves are not in danger from these violent people.

Charity: Of course not.

Ralph: These are beliefs that are coming from religiously supported groups, all of whom feel that somehow their religions mandates these stands.

Charity: But does it not mandate that other humans religion is incorrect? Therefore all of those humans in that religion need to be destroyed?

Ralph: The Bahai faith doesn't feel that way. But the main ones have all said that only theirs is the true religion. And the others are somehow

Charity: The Essence do not want to destroy other Essences. They want to continue on. To move their charge forward.

Ralph: So then what do we have for a reason for these people feeling that something in spiritual life?

Charity: That again is free will which they are mislabeling. They are using their faith for that kind of explanation.

Ralph: You are talking about them exercising free will, which they are putting outside of their own personal Emotional Self responsibility.

Charity: Correct

Ralph: Into the alleged neutral spiritual realm, which is what religion is supposed to be talking about.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: So if we are talking about assuming responsibility, that is where it has been mislaid.

Charity: Correct.

Ralph: It's being distance from it. They say God has led me to kill you.

Charity: That is incorrect. The Essence does not want to destroy another Essence.

Ralph: Well, plenty of them, not Essences, but plenty of bodies have been destroyed in the process of religious conversions. Including the Aztecs, the

Charity: But has it worked?

Ralph: I think another group comes along behind them.

Charity: So far it has not worked. So why continue to do something that has not worked? That is our question. Can you answer our question?

Ralph: No, I can't answer your question, but I have a different attitude. We have the adage, If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." That is wrong. "If at first you don't succeed, give up. You have got the wrong method."

Charity: Then we try something else, follow what your Essence says.