Discussion between Ralph Allison and Charity, a Professor CIE.
Ralph: : "Do not commit adultery."
Charity: What is adultery?
Ralph: Adultery is having, well, there are several definitions. The most obvious one that everyone can agree upon is for a married person to have sexual intercourse with somebody besides their mate, while they are married to their mate.
Charity: OK
Ralph: That is the most clear cut rule. There are many others that are of lesser activities than that.
Charity: Why would The Creator be concerned about the human personal life? The Creator wishes for you to listen to your Essence, grow and learn, so that when it comes time for you to move forward. The Creator does not care – The Creator is there, we do his dictates.
Ralph: Here is where the whole question of moral code come up.
Charity: This is what we are trying to say. If we understand this correctly, this is all a moral judgment that the human population has set upon the human population. We don't, in our realm, in our space, we, first of all do not have bodies, why would we be concerned about adultery? Why would we be concerned on that kind of avenue? It makes no –
Ralph: Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Now let's look at Linda when she was getting in and out of strange people's beds, and she was married to her first husband, shall we say? As Lisa Kay, or whoever it might have been. That is adultery. She had a husband at home. According to the strictest interpretation of this, any of that sexual activity outside of her marriage bed is a moral sin, in violation of this code. And they included that to be a very important principle of our society.
Charity: The human population considers that as something that is not acceptable.
Ralph: If you didn't have something that people agreed upon like that, then families would be disintegrating, children would be having no parents at home –
Charity: But families are disintegrating without that rule, or with other rules.
Ralph: I'm not debating that people are breaking this rule every single day, and have been for years. I'm just saying that it still, as a theoretical rule, is very good for a society to follow.
Charity: Yes, for a society, yes. But, in our realm, in our space, no. We do not –
Ralph: It may not apply to you and your associates, correct, but aren't you – you're involved in what we do.
Charity: Of course.
Ralph: And if we did adultery without limitation, your job would be a lot more difficult.
Charity: How would it be more difficult? You don't know what we do all the time.
Ralph: Then you would have so many other people involved with strong emotional ties.
Charity: Not necessarily.
Ralph: You would have to realize that in those days, they had no contraceptives, no birth control. So you would have babies who would not have parents who would take responsibility for them, you would have babies without a family. I think that is a very important issue here.
Charity: You have to remember –
Ralph: You would have a mess of a time with those kinds of kids. Who's going to raise them?
Charity: The same ones that are not being raised now.
Ralph: That makes for a chaotic culture.
Charity: For the human population, that is another rule that the population at that time laid down its " law" stating that it was from The Creator and therefore we have to follow. It is a very good rule but for ourselves, we're not going to dictate to the human population that they should not do that. What we are concerned about is the matter of destruction of the Essence.
Ralph: This is where I have a major question for you. This is the point at which this question comes to bear. Just because you are not in a position to act like a human without a body, you cannot
have sexual activity, you can't scratch your nose, you can't put on shoes, OK, I understand that, hut this is to people that do put on shoes, can scratch their nose and have sex.
Charity: OK
Ralph: Now why wouldn't it be proper for you to do whatever you could to encourage to follow this kind of a rule? It would seem to be in their best interests to follow this kind of rule. Why wouldn't you want to?
Charity: When we don't even know what the term of "adultery" is, how could we expect to believe the human population from not doing it?
Ralph: I thought you had all those dictionaries stashed away there. You could look it up.
Charity: We have some, we have lots. But some we deem not important to put into our database.
Ralph: Well this fits into everything in the area of sexual morality, this is just the tip of that iceberg. Because you don't have any sexual activity, so you don't have any issues –
Charity: Right
Ralph: in your realm.
Charity: All humans have their Essences. Your Essence can choose to negate a pregnancy, stop it from ever happening. We are not a – we don't judge the human population. That is not our avenue. We try and make sure that the humans are listening to ourselves and doing what they need to do for spiritual advancement. If adultery is not going to help the human advance, then of course we would be concerned.
Ralph: And the Essence would be warning them not to do it.
Charity: Yes.
Ralph: But you would consider there would be times and people where adultery would he spiritually improving.
Charity: Correct
Ralph: And in those conditions, you would not be warning them to stop.
Charity: Correct
Ralph: That then gets into the whole issue of rules that we mentioned before, versus a situational judgment of that person in that time and their place. And rules don't allow for that.
Charity: You have to remember that each human population, each human in that population, is different, in their spiritual development. So what we say for yourself, for instance, is entirely different from what Becky's charge would be.
Ralph: I understand that
Charity: And we cannot blanket a response on this avenue by quoting a general rule because there is no general rule.
Ralph: I understand your general principle and I agree with you, but I'm trying to point out that it would seem to me an issue you would want to be propagating among human groups that they not go hopping in and out of other adult's beds and getting themselves shot by jealous husbands, as I have seen in the hospital, or breaking up marriages and things like that. It would seem to me you would have an interest in stopping those kinds of destructive activities.
Charity: The Essence control's their charges.
Ralph: So you don't need any blanket condemnation like they have here, you wouldn't take that tack anyhow. And you pass the instructions down to the Essences on how to handle the individuals when they are tempted.
Charity: Correct.
Ralph: I'm just pointing out that these are the things that I've got to be able to discuss.