This is a conversation between Ralph Allison and Charity, a Professor CIE.

EVIL

Charity: What guides you is that heard Essence, your Essence, the one who has been taught by the Great Teacher also. "To dwell within me many years ago." When he had "been born again."

Ralph: This says that they were evil up until that moment and then they got the purity, which is what you

C: Which is incorrect.

R: Now I'm just saying I always had a problem with that since I didn't feel I was born evil and therefore I didn't have a reason to be cleansed of my a native evilness because I never felt I had it. Now that, of course, makes me peculiar, because then they say, "You must have because everybody is." And I say, "Unh, unh."

C: The quote that with Justin and the part of him of him "being reborn" and that part, that is a quote that you need to put to Andy on that aspect.

R: Well, the thing is that in that description that Justin gave he indicated that it was something horrible and evil within him that he gave up.

C: But it was nothing that was "horrible and evil". It was "the parents." Which is totally untrue, You are a "perfect human being" when you are born and the Essence is brought into you. You therefore have your choice of free will so from that point on, to listen to your Essence.

R: Now, I have attended only one baptism in a Catholic church and in that baptism the priest very clearly said that their understanding of the baptism was that by sprinkling on the head and performing the ritual the Spirit of God came into that child. Now, that doesn't sound like anything you have indicated happens with that ritual. Now, let me ask if you have any conception of what that ritual does accomplish, because I've never seen any difference before and after in regard to the children. They don't look or act any differently.

C: You want it in regards to the children, or in regards to the adults?

R: This is a Catholic view.

C: From the Catholic view of that, they consider, if we understand it correctly, it was a very young child, of less than six weeks, what they consider is that child has been "deposited on this earth as something that has been wrong from the very start." Therefore it must be perfect. And by being perfect is to baptize that child unto "a new existence" and a new way of being viewed into the custom of the church.

R: Well, I had a hard time in understanding how a newborn baby could he imperfect.

C: It cannot be.

R: That never

C: We don't sanction this.

R: I'm just saying that it always seemed illogical to me. But what did the poor kid ever do? He is just lying there eating his milk.

C: He was born.

R: He was born, and he didn't have a chance. Even though he may have had free will, he didn't have much of an opportunity to exercise it. Adults were telling him what to do every day.

C: That's correct.

R: Now, in the Protestant church they do not have that concept, it is the parents that are give instructions to raise the child in the religion, and that is simply neutral for the child.

C: You have the choice for the adult later if they choose to become baptized.

R: To join the organization.

C: And becoming baptized in their way of understanding is that they have "again born defective" but they do not realize it until they have reached a certain age. And then they became to realize it. Once they realized they were defective, they felt there was another avenue that could make them perfect.

R: Is this idea of being born defective part of The Great Delusion?

C: Yes. It is all the grand design from The Creator which is what we must emphasize to the humans that no human is born defective. There is "no avenue of the term or the word evil" as that does not exist in our language at all. Because there is no evil in our realm.

R: When I listened to the Rabbi, they made it very clear that all humans are going to be evil if they don't follow the rules of God. And the first order was to learn all the rules of God. And then the second order is to follow all the rules of God. Now, that sounds sort of logical. There are all these rules we gotta follow and if we don't follow them, we'll get whipped.

C: The rules of the Creator are very simple. By following them and listening to your Essence, you are following and listening to The Creator.

R: We have the free will to ignore those instructions and advisories

C: Correct

R: In Becky's case, for example, she has chosen not to ignore them. She follows your instructions; she may argue with you about them before she follows them, she has committed herself to being an obedient servant,

C: That term is very demeaning

R: She goes a long with the plan. She's not an obstreperous, refusal person. Refusnick is the term they use. They just say NO to everything.

C: Right

R: But she has the capacity to, if she were to. The thing that would be most equivalent to evil behavior is a rebellious Essence who is not going along with what is expected of him or her.

C: Right, it's called a turned Essence.

R: So, we do have a category for those who don't go along with the program.

C: Yes, but it is not called the term EVIL.

R: And there are very – you have many, many choices of how we may accomplish any task you have laid out for us. Our life plan is no rigid

C: No

R: must go in a certain place and live in a certain building, and things like that, or attend a certain church, So you have much more broader rules. Like the Jews cannot drink out of certain dishes, and that is very strict. You can't use the pot for cooking that you are using for something else.

C: No.

R: You don't care what kind of pot they use as long as they eat healthy food.

C: We don't care what kind of religion they care to worship. Just as long as it does not indoctrinate or change the role of the human at that time. We chose for them not to be a follower of things and follow blindly. That is

R: Instead of listening to their own Essence, listening to the turned Essence of a cult leader.

C: Most Correct.

R: Falsehoods are one thing, and still and all what we start out with is the question – this is much more complicated, it seems, why I need to understand how the – you said there is no word for evil in your language. That presents a major problem in our society. Because these are things defined as evil. BAD, Criminal, immoral. Those are the basic words that they define an act of prostitution as, or theft or murder, or what have you. It is our moral code translated into our legal code. Now there are lots of things that other countries don't consider in those categories, so there is a cultural choice in each country. And then there is always the problem when is that behavior acceptable and excused, under what conditions. There's always an exception. Killing somebody is only murder under certain conditions. It can be manslaughter, it can be justifiable homicide, it can be self defense. This is where we need discussion on these matters, because

C: There is no justified representation for any kind of destruction of another Essence.

R: Well here, we have plenty of people who feel justified in executing a convicted killer.

C: There is no justification for the destruction of any Essence.

R: I hear you but I'm just saying

C: Would you like us to repeat that?

R: I'm not debating what you said. I'm just pointing out the major difference in this stand for what is considered to be moral, right stand of the populous of our country at this moment. I don't disagree with you. I agree with you and have for a long time, for other reasons. But I am saying I am in the minority. I definitely am in the minority. You probably have got 70-80% of the people in favor of the death penalty, and Linda has been one of them, in her comments.

C: Yes.

R: So you have that personal knowledge of how this comes about, and she is an average person. In that regard, she is quite typical of Americans. That is something that we need to understand why there is a difference, because you have the Ten Commandments coming out there which said, "God said, thou shalt not kill" Number one.

C: The Creator did not make up the Ten Commandments. The Creator has no feelings. Therefore how can The Creator hate? He cannot pass judgment, The Creator just loves, pure and simple.

R: All I am saying is that you can understand this has been used for crowd control.

C: What sounds to ourselves is that the human wanted to make sure that if they did not follow the rules that they brought to the human race, that this is what's going to happen. And they used the Creator as saying, "I will do this and this."

R: It's like the story of mothers at home telling little Junior, "If you don't behave, Daddy will whip you when he gets home from work." It's a powerful control mechanism. Alright, next it says, "Do not use my name for evil purposes. I, the Lord your God, will punish anyone who misuses my name." Now that's commonly said, "Do not state the name of God in vain." Don't use him for swear words.

C: We don't swear.

R: It's saying to the people that people should not use, and the common one in conflict with this is when somebody says, "God damn you." that means, "I want God to condemn you to some horrible fate because you have made me unhappy." That's what Goddamn you comes from. It's a violation of this –

C: First of all, The Creator does not, cannot and will not punish any human being. He made humans being to be exactly what they are. And he gave the Essences unto them.

R: This is just using his name as an insult.

C: The Lord seems to ourselves – we don't understand why they use the name "The Lord." "The Lord" to ourselves does not mean anything, we don't even have a word that means anything close to that.

R: Lord is master of any group.

C: Well, The Creator is not a master.

R: There has been a psychiatrist named W. Scott Peck, who has written a number of books on religious aspects of psychiatry. And made lot of speeches, and in the last book he was sort of into Buddhism and now he has come back and is defining himself as a Christian.

C: OK

R: This was his own statement. One thing I didn't care much for in the first book I read of his was that he recommended psychiatry take on the job of treating all evil people.

C: There is no term for evil.

R: In his book there was. This is all about the guys in prison who are raping and murdering and such. They violated all of our rules in society. Basically who we would call psychopaths that are Turned Essences, is your term.

C: Of course.

R: I said I didn't like that idea, that psychiatrists should be given the job of treating and expecting to cure people who are perpetually into misconduct.

C: Right.

R: Because we always get the left overs from the rest of medicine but once you know how to treat them, somebody else takes over and gets credit for the treatment.

C: Of course.

R: But we invented it. We are tying to keep the manic depressives and get the credit for it.

C: Of course.

R: But he wanted us to take on all the evil people. And he identifies himself as a Christian, and the way we have been talking, that would seem to be a backward step. That believing in Christ therefore it puts him in some kind of a special category. Which is what the point of it was. These people went to their deaths with the lions because they sacrificed themselves like Christ did and that made them somehow super-special.

C: Correct. That's not in tune with our teachings.

R: Just the whole – obviously we have the idea of the Weather CIE as the Spirits of Nature back in the earlier days, the whole pagan religion was that, which was called the Devil's work by Christians. Therefore they could kill them.

C: There is no Devil.

R: But I'm just saying that's what they called them, and therefore they are ready to kill them.

C: First of all The Creator did not think that is a necessary part of it.

R: I'm just saying that we have pre-Christians in Europe and England, you have a number of religions who believed in spirits of nature, which is the CIE.

C: Which is correct.

R: And they were trying to participate with rituals and what have you, that was going on for centuries before the Christians came into England

C: And did that away.

R: As soon as they did, they labeled them bad, evil people. Who had to be eliminated.

C: Correct.

R: Now I get a little fearful of that being repeated, you have to admit.

C: On what avenue?

R: Because we are bad, evil people to challenge this view which has been present now for 2,000 years.

C: You have your choice.

R: I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saying that you have to realize that these people have not disappeared from the face of the earth.

C: We are most happy but not around any religion.